Urdu: PAKISTANI GIRLS IMMORAL DRESSES /FASHION

[trueguy]

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MUJHEY BARA DUKH HOTA HAY YEH DEKH KER K, HAMARI KHAWATEEN AURLERKIYON KA DOUBLE STANDARD HAY…AIK TARAF WO ISLAM AUR SHARAM O HAYA KAY NAAM PER PERDEY KI PABANDI KAY LIAY AWAZ UTHATI AUR LERTI NAZER AATI HAIN….. LERKON K SATH CO EDUCATION KO GHALAT KEHTI HAIN… KUCH FAMILIES MAIN TO SHADI SE PEHLEY LERKAY SE BAAT KERNA, DEKHNA BHI GHALAT SAMJHA JAATA HAY, MILNA TO DOOR KI BAAT HAY… ISI TERHA CHEHRAY KO CHUPANA BURQA PEHAN-NA SHARAM O HAYA KI NISHANI KAHA JAATA HAY… PHONE PER YA INTERNET PER KISI LERKAY SE FRIENDSHIP KO GHALAT SAMJHA JATA HAY…KISI LERKAY KO PASAND KERNE AUR US SE SHAADI KA SOCHNA BHI BURI BAAT – MAYOB BAAT – JESE GUNAH HO – SAMJHA JATA HAY… SONGS SUN-NE KO GHALAT SAMJHA JATA HAY…MAKE UP KERNE AUR GROOMING KERNE KO PURNEY ZEHAN KI KHAWATEEN BURA SAMAJHTI HAIN… LAKIN <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

DOSRI TARAF… BUHUT SI ASI CHEEZIN HAMARAY MASHRAY MAIN SOCIETY MAIN AAM HAIN.. COMMON HAIN – JO KAY ASAL MAIN REALITY MAIN SHERM O HAYA AUR AIK LERKI KI MODESTY AUR SHYNESS KAY BILKUL HI AGAINST HAIN…JESE KAY WO MALE TAILORS SE KAPRAY SILWATI HAIN UNKO APNA NAAP LENAY KI IJAZAT DETI HAIN… UN TAILORS KI AUR BOTIQUES PER FEMALE DUMMIES LAGI HOI HOTI HAIN JO KAY ASAL LERKIYON KI SHAKAL KI HOTI HAIN…AUR SHOP KEEPERS EVEN KHAWATEEEN K SAMNEY HI BAAZ DAFA UN DUMMIES KO NUDE /NAKED KERKAY UN PER DRESS CHANGE KER RAHAY HOTAY HAIN…IN SE KHAWATEEN AUR LERKYON KO SHARAM KION NAHI AATI? JABKE YEH WOHI KHAWATEEN AUR LERKIYON HOTI HAIN JO NAQAB PEHNAY HOAY HOTI HAIN ---

ISI TERHA VIDEO SHOPS PER YEH LERKIYAN SONGS/VIDOES LENEY JATI HAIN AUR WAHA PER SEMI-NUDE GIRLS K POSTERS LAGAY HOTAY HAIN, MAGER INKO SHARAM NAHI AATI.. --- ISI TERHA SAB SE BERH KER AJEEB BAAT YEH HAY KAY… JO HERAN KERTI HAY KAY…KHAWATEEN AUR LERKIYAN BHI… APNEY MAKHSOS LIBAAS / INTIMATE AND NIGHT DRESSES JO KAY BUHUT HI PERSONAL HOTAY HAIN… YANI LINGERIE DRESSES, UNKO OPENLY – KHULAY AAM- SAB K SAMNAY AKSER STREETS PER THAILON SE- BUY KER RAHI HOTI HAIN.. JAHAN PER SELLER BHI MALE HOTA HAY AUR BAQI BHI LERKAY HI SELL KER RAHAY HOTAY HAIN---- EVEN SARAK PER MALES KA HUJOM HOTA HAY SAB HI DEKH RAHAY HOTAY HAIN.. ASEY MAIN WOHI BURQAH POSH – NAQAB WALI KHAWATEEN – GHARAILO KHAWATEEN AUR LERKIYAN BARRAY ARAM SE ---MAZAY SE… APNEY KHAAS LIBAAS / LINGERIE / UNDER WEARS – KO KHAREED RAHI HOTI HAIN AUR UNKEY SIZES, COLORS, FABRICS KO CHECK KER RAHI HOTI HAIN AUR MALE SELLER SE DISCUSS KER RAHI HOTI HAIN …. SIZE BATA RAHI HOTI HAIN ETC…

AAKHIR.. UNKO SHARAM KION NAHI AA RAHI HOTI?>????? EVEN ----BUHUT BAREEK KALPRAY KI KAMEEZ AUR SHALWAR PEHAN KER WO DHOP MAIN KHARI HOTI HAIN --- TO UNKA SAARA JISM NAZER AA RAHA HOTA HAY ESPECIALLY TANGINA UPTO THIGHS… EVEN DARK COLOR KI UNDER GARMENT [BRA AUR PANTY] PEHAN KER KAMEEZ AUR SHALWAR BAREEK AUR HALKAY COLOR KE PEHAN LETI HAIN OOPER SE TIGHT FITTING BHI… JIS SE BRA KA COLOR –SIZE – SHAPE SAB NAZER AA RAHA HOTA HAY..PHIR TIGHT SHIRT KI WAJAH SE BREAST KI POORI SHAPE PATA CHAL RAHI HOTI HAY…

AUR AGER TAIZ HAWA CHAL RAHI HO TO CHOTI SI DAMAN WALI KAMEEZ PEECHAY SE UPER UTH JATI HAY AUR BAREEK HALKAY COLOR KI SHALWAR KAY ANDER SE DARK/BLACK COLOR KI PANTY NAZER AANAY LAGTI HAY… EVEN AJ KAL KAMEEZ KAY CHALKS ITNE OOPER HO GAEY HAIN KAY MOTOR BIKES PER BETHTI HAIN TO KAMAR AUR SHALWAR KI BELT NAZER AA RAHI HOTI HAY… AUR GALA ITNA BARA AUR LOOSE HOTA HAY KAY JAB WO SHOPPING KERTAY HOAY YA BUSES MAIN ZARA JUKHTI HAIN [BEND HOTI HAIN] TO UNKAY GALAY KAY ANDER SE BRA TAK NAZER AANAY LAGTA HAY- BUHUT SI LERKIYAN JEANS PEHAN RAHI HAIN.. BUHUT HI TIGHT TROUSERS PEHANTI HAIN JIS SE POORA JISM PATA CHAL RAHA HOTA HAY…SHALWAR ITNI CHOTI AUR OONCHI KAY JAB BETHTI HAIN TO AIK FOOT TAK OOPER HO JATI HAY AUR 30% TANG NAKED HO JATI HAY…

WESE TO BUHUT SHY BANTI HAIN – LERKON SE BAAT KERNA GHALAT AUR GUNAH – DOSTI GUNAH.. MAGER RELIGIOUS SCHOLARS SE MARRIAGE RELATIONS/SEX QUESTIONS PROBLEMS POOCHNE MAIN NAHI SHERMATEEN…. APNI BODY KAY KHAS PROBLEMS JESE PERIODS /MENSES KA ASANI SE NEWSPAPER MAIN POOCH LETI HAIN APNE NAAM K SATH..… AAKHIR YEH SAB WO KESE JAAN BOJH KER KER RAHI HAIN? SHARAM KION NAHI AATI UNKO???

ISKA MATLAB KIA HOA? YEHI K ASAL MAIN ZIADA TER AUR AKSER KHAWATEEN AUR LERKIYAN ASAL MAIN REALITY MAIN SHERMILEE AUR MODEST SHY NAHI HOTEEN WO SIRF- AIK RASAM K TAUR PER IS TERHA KI BATAIN KER RAHI HOTI HAIN KAY MALES SE DOOR REHNA CHAHIAY YA CHEHRA DEKHAN BAY SHERMI HAY --- MAKE KERNA GHALAT HAY… MALE SE BAT KERAN – DOSTI KERNA GUNAH HAY GHALAT HAY --- SATH PERHAN CO EDUCATION GHALAT HAY BURAI HAY…HALANKAY IN SAB CHEZON MAIN ASAL MAIN KOI BURAI NAHI HAY… ASAL BURAI AUR SHARAM KI BATAIN TO WO HAIN JO WO KHUSHI KHUSHI ASANI SE AAJ KAL KERTI NAZER AATI HAIN….

KHUDARA AEY PYARI BEHNO – QAUM O MULK O ISLAM KI IZZAT TUM SE HAY… TUM APNEYANDER ASAL SHARAM O HAYA KION PAYDA NAHI KERTEEN? MALES, LERKAY – JO ACHAY AUR SHAREEF HOUN WO TUMHARI IZAT KAY MUHAFIZ HAIN…. UN SE DOSTI BURI BAAT NAHI… BAS BURAY LOGON SE BACHO.. AUR BURI TO LERKIYAN BHI HOTI HAIN…TO BURI LERKION SE BHI BACHO…. BURAI SE BACHO…. MALES SE – LERKON SE – DOORI – SATH NA PERHNA. CO EDUCATION KO GHALAT KEHNA… DOSTI NA KERNA… LERKON SE BAT NA KERNA… YEH TUMHARI GHALAT SOCH HAY.. ISKO BADLO… LIBAS SHERM O HAYA KAY MUTABIQ PEHNO.. JO NA TIGHT HO, NA MUKHTASIR/BRIEF HO, NA HI BAREEK HO/SEE THROUGH NA HO.. UNDER GARMENTS LIGHT COLOR KEY PEHNO AUR KAMEEZ AUR SHLAWAR DARK COLOR AUR MOTTAY KAPRAY /THICK FABRIC KI USE KARO…LOOSE FITTING KI PEHNO… BEAUTIFUL PEHNO… GRACEFUL NAZER AAO…. ACHAY COLORFUL PEHNO… EMBRIODERY KERWAO… DESIGNING KERWAO… COLORFUL HOUN MAGER SHARAM O HAYA SE DOOR NA HOUN…KHOBSURAT LAGO MAGER AWARA NA LAGO, PLEASE…

[johnnyyyyyyy]

touba itna bara likha hai kuch parha bhi nahi ja raha
kaafi din lagaingay bhai kuch comments denay mey

[sweetlemon]

ooay hoay hoay he attaked women... lagta kisi kuri nay bari gheri chot di hay jo es terha sa likha hay...

aray bhai, "mujay bara dukh hota yah DEEKH ker" ap nay itna gor say deekha hi kyun lerkion ko, uff uff, ap nay bari gheri nazer say kurion ko deekh lia kay apko ander kay colors bhi pata chal gay, bari gheri ankh rekhi thi ap nay.. aray itna gor say deekhtay hi na tu phir itna kehna na perta itna dukh na milta... andia ek kam kerna na, koi short kapron may kuri khari ho tu usko deekh ker sharam say nazren jhuka den aur sherma ker peechay mor ker idher udher ho jaaen

& yes comment daynay may kafi time lagay gay... johnnyyyyy is finding out

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o bhai lal lal likhnay walay true guy !

which world are you living in buddy !

the time you have spent to check girls and their dresses and on ways by which you can somehow peek or sneak into a girl's fabric .. that same time you could have utilized to study or learn something useful instead.

every person wants to comment on religion with authority like they know everything about islam. Islam is not a joke. Its for everyone to learn, study understand and then maybe try to act like a super scholar or special authority and start commenting on things which they actually know nothing about.

whats wrong in a girl wearing a light fabric or a girl or woman trying to buy things from a shop. you can't expect a woman to be all dressed in that weird shawl in a summer of +45 degrees and you cant expect or tell them what to wear or where to buy. thats NOT your headache. And that is NOT what Islam is asking you to do either. SHARM-O-HAYA is NOT only for females. It is for MALES too. In islam you are asked to lower your gaze when you see a woman who is a stranger to you. So why dont you follow the real religion and lower your gaze and then you will not see any girls at all ! Apnay time par islam yad nai ata. Dosray ko batanay ke liay foran Islam yad ajata hai har admi ko.

And there is nothing wrong with a woman discussing about ANY problem or question. Infact the Prophet himself used to dedicate a FULL day to answer and discuss with women about any topics or questions that they might have.

When you are travelling in a bus in karachi for example, with other male passengers (who are almost all muslims) and you see the bus driver (who is a muslim too) playing music and cursing and speeding and the conductor (who is a muslim too) passing the female section all the time which is overly crowded by females, how many times have you or any other respectable male muslim have tried to ask the driver to stop playing those fahash and immoral vulgar songs ? or how many times have anyone said anything to the guys who follow women every day when they go to work, school or shop ? Islam is not just for women to stop living their lives. That is not the correct interpretation of Islam that you have. Islam even allows a woman to go to war if she has to. It gives equal rights to both men and women in ALL respects.

Its true that with the current vulgar channels on TV and vulgar movies all around, our culture is going down the drain slowly. But WHO is selling those movies ? MALES or females. and WHO controls the TV channels ? you can not ask a woman to stop watching TV or seeing movies and say nothing to the men who are responsible of all the vulgarity and corruption that is happening in the society.

Larkian dekhna aur larkion ke kapron par gor karna band kar do bhai aur apne amaal ki fiker karo. Jab qabar mei jao gay tou farishtay yeh nai pochenagy ke parosan ka bra konse color ka tha. Farishtay aag ka ticket kat dengay agar bandon ke huqooq se gaflat ki tou. Tanqeed jab achi lagti hai jab ungli uthanay walay ki baat mei koi wazan ho. Khud nangay kharay ho kar dosron ko yeh nai kehtay ke banyan kyun pehna hai. Pehle mulk se nangi vidoes aur tv channels khatem kar do phir is fiker mei parna ke larkian kis se dosti karen aur kis se nai. Har insan ki apni life hai apni marzi. We are no one to tell anyone what to do or how to live. As far as religion is concerned, it already explained in details what is the best way to live a life. So study religion and that will give all clear answers on everything you ever need to know. Women are supposed to be treated equally and with even more delicacy as compared to the men in the society. That is the true spirit and teaching of Islam and the prophet


Kia aurten darzion ke pas jana chor den. Kapre tum sia karo gay unkay phir. Ya tum apni boutique kholne ke chakar mei tou nai ho ke sab tmhare pas aya karen. Bhai darzi hamesha se thay aur hamesha rahengay. Warna phir pattay lapet ke ghomna shuru kar do. Aurton ko kehnay ke bajaey darzi se kaho ke islam uske liay bhi hai. so wo kyun aurat ke badan ko buri niyat se chota hai. Agar wo imandari se apne kam se kam rakhta hai aur apne business aur dukan chalanay ke liay naap leta hai bagair kisi niyat ke tou yeh uski halal kamai hai. Jo sarak par daily 300 se ziada gariaan chori hoti hen aur jo hazaron mobile chori hote hen wo aurten nai karteen mard karte hen aur saray muslim hen. Aur jo chori ka maal kharedtay hen wo bhi saray musalman hen. Aur jo yeh sab khamoshi se hotay dekhte rehte hen wo bhi musalman hen aur sab begairat hen aur mard hen. Jo akhbar mei aurton ki nangi tasweerain chaptay hen wo saray akhbar walay editor se le kar printer tak saray mard aur musalman hen. Jo nangay magazine mulk mei biktay hen wo saray mard bechtay hen aur mard hi mulk mei import karte hen. Unko batao islam kia hai phir aurton ki fiker karna !

Instead of worrying about what women should wear or do.. start thinking of what YOU can do to the society. Take a look at EDHI for example. That is ONE MAN and he did what a million can not. See all the news where you never see a government ambulance but an EDHI ambulance. And he does it for FREE. If EDHI was not a pakistani or muslim he would have won a Noble Prize many years ago. We dont need others to tell us who is doing good to the world. EDHI is doing what is even more honorable and respectable than many noble winner's entire life's contributions. Learn from such people and devote your time to do anything you can to help them or the society. That is much better than worrying about what color of panty or bra that strange woman was wearing whom you stared for a long time before coming to the conclusion that women are not following the ethics of culture !

[trueguy]

Well, Assalam o Alakum All friends.

Sab se pehlay to BAYHAD Shukria aap sab k comments ka, I did enjoy… I always enjoy n value Remarks either in favor or criticism.

Secondly yeh kay Yaaro – main nay waqt kab zaya kia hay lerkion ko GHOR se dekhnay kay liay… yaar… yeh to within few seconds koi bhi dekh sakta hay…Ghor ki zarorat hi nahi perti… lerkiyan jab khud hi sabkuch openly dekhana chah rahi hoti hain to time waste kernay ka kia sawal..

Thirdly, main sirf itna kehna chahoun ga kay main Naik aur Shareef lerkion se jitna pyar, jitni izat aur ehtram kerta houn shayad hi koi kerta ho… tab hi to itna dukh hota hay yeh sab kuch – yeh burai is terha common hotey dekh ker

Fourthly, yeh dekh ker kuch afsos hoa kay aap dostoun nay kuch ghalat andaza lagaya meri zehni level ka---- kukay main ne to ap sab ko samjhnay kay liay ASAAN zuban main yeh sab likha tha werna.. mera ASAL standard kia hay yeh aapko merey views perh ker abhi pata chal jaaega… jo main ‘DRESS CODE’ k subject se neechay post ker raha houn.

Fifthly, mere dost apke purkhulos mashwarey ka shukria kay main yeh time waste na kerta to studies main kuch ker sakta tha… .to THORA sa perha likha to main houn hi…. I AM MSC ECONOMICS, have gotten IT course Windows Admin from USA, My English Poetry have been Selected by INTERNATIONAL LIBRARY OF POETRY, USA. My Urdu poetry book is going to be published soon inshaAllah. My Poetry has been published in the Biggest Newspaper of Pakistan. I have written around 50 Articles on various subject relating to Human Psyche & Moral Philosophy & Relationship etc. for All of This I just Thank MY ALLAH ALMIGHTY, for all these gifts on me…

Well, ab ap log zara meray ASAL Views perhiay – meri Asal Zuban main.. tab aapko pata chalay ga kay main kis zehni o jazbati standard/caliber ka insan houn – main kia kia ker chuka houn society kay liay aur kia ker raha houn yeh to yahan batana baikaar hay… lakin aik dost nay jis terha tafseel se women ko defend kia hay asa lagta hay unhoun nay meri niyat pe shuba kia hay…aur meri baat ki RUH ko spirit ko samjha hi nahi.. kay main KEH KIA RAHA THA…. Double Standard ko…. Seems he some Feminist… well, now read my views n then start discussing…

Ap dostoun k comments ka aik baar phir BEYHAD shukria…ab neechay perhiay….
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WOMEN CODE OF DRESS IN ISLAM

Quranic Injunctions and my Views :

1) Maintain Chastity: The basic purpose to dress up or dress code is to Attain/maintain chastity and for this reason Internal feelings of Modesty emotions are a Must…. So to evoke modesty Pure emotions are necessary which can be attaind through Fearing God and Loving God….and to express this modesty externally women asked to cover their heads (it looks very feminine too) and keep their eyes lowered (in a demure manner, it makes them extermely feminine and Awards a Coy Beauty). As well as these things give them a look of Piety & Virtuousness / rightousness due to Modesty Oriented personality. Definitely main Objective is to Keep the Chastity, means to avoid ANY Elements/Factors or anything in any way/manner which may Cause anything which leads to Abortion of Chastity… means to Subdue Lust and to block Lust Provoking elements… to keep the Chastity Intact… So for this not only Chasity physically but Chastity in Thoughs n feelings n Emotions ie. MODESTY is necessary…. Therefore, it is obvious that if Eyes are subdued not due to shame/regard etc. and bust is covered not due to modesty/shame then…. When even internal emotions are not pure then how can be Bloking of lust provoking elements… when even Inside Luse Sea waves are Insurgent… ??!!!! So, that’s why I am of the opinion that Muslims (males n females) must do anything by which they can neutralize lust provokation in their dress, as well as evoke emotions of lust-negating elements ie. Love/Care/friendship/selfless sacrifice etc. & express their regard, care, love n friendship in the best manner in tune with present era ie. Like it is obviously favored by Allah Almighty if any guy can express his Assurance of friendly/brotherly emotions ie Love, Care, guarding/guiding/ sacrificing feelings etc. for her through his face n eyes instead of just giving a touch of alienation to her by lowering or keeping his eyes away from her…(Although Quran calls Muslim Males n females to be friends and all Muslims are like brothers so definitely all females are their Islamic Sisters.. So better to Assure their brotherly/friendly emotions for them instead of showing their Stranger-like Alien behavior to them (Read my this theory in the context of overall article)

2) Subduing of eyes for both Men n Women & Covering of heads for Women (As a sign of good Muslim women): Due to Mutual Regard and Internal Modesty/bashfulness/shamefulness, demureness n coyness (in women) …aimed at Sign of Muslim Males n females.. especially ordered for the era of Early Islam….when Munafiqeen were everywhere…

3) Covering of Women’s chaste/bust/breasts/blossom: Aimed at Subduing the lust provoking element (s), because blossoms being the Sign of sexual maturity and means of male lust driving….not to be confused that Blossom is beauty of a woman…. NO, it is just the sign of a sexual maturity…. And just a body part… which should be healthy like all other parts… A less sensually mature girl maybe extremely Beautiful /attractive or loveable for any good Muslim guy than just a Sensually Mature or over powered girl with Repulsive nature….The reality is the Covering of bust, covering of head, Lowering eyes or Modesty eyes, Shyness in style or demure behavior and Soft/decent voice n walking manners.. all these lead to Beauty…Otherwise if her blossom were itself beauty then that should have been exposed to everyone….Is she allowed to be naked before her Sister even ? or her mother ? as to remain beautiful within her home ???!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO, NEVER, because that is not her beauty…. It’s not a female’s body nearness which itself exude lusty emotion in males (during normal daily life n works not during intimate moments).. but her overall image ie. If she is nympho or siren or harlot then even just thinking of her… would evoke hate or lust…. Both are negagive emotions… but for a good girl… either love, or care or any pure emotion shall emerge…A Brother can lovingly/caringly Embrace his sister, can caress her head or forehead as to express his love… but can any dignifed brother afford to see his sister wearing even Semi-See thourgh dress ?! (Let alone purely lust-arousing dress)… Because, her flesh n her blossom are not her True Beauty… but her Nature, her Character, Her thoughts, her emotions, her Attitude, her behavior… her Over all Feminine n Decent personality’s charm is her Beauty…. Sisters do ask their brothers are they looking beautiful (when they are madeup etc. for any party)…. Does it mean they are Sensually dressed that time ?! Never. …. So that means their beauty is never their Sensual Body parts… but something else… ie. Their Face’s Innocence, their eyes’s modesty, their postures’ decency..and of course over all Slim n balanced body to give her perfect feminine image….Feminine image doesn’t mean Lust-godess… but a Virgin Mary (Hazrat Mariam) Like Image or like any Highly Virtuous Blessed Muslim woman…

4) Covering of whole body except Unavoidable parts (face, eyes, hands, feets): Aimed to basically avoiding display of flesh being the source of lust arousing.. ie. Except face, hands, feet, all other parts ie. Even Neck & hair may induce lust….to better to cover them (because these parts don’t express internal emotions like face/eyes do… as well as theese parts are not always unavoidable to cover like hands/finger and feet are).


5) Don’t Walk with Sounds of any jewelry etc: Aimed at negating any kind of ostentatiou or meretritious or superficial adoration which lacks soberity and grace and dignity instead indicates low-self-esteem or aimed at drawing sensual / cheap attention
There are some points which are Stressed and Urged and Sternly and forcefully obtruded in regard to women dress code in Islam.... they are :

A) Beauty of Women to be Concealed...: About this philosophy I have elobrated enough as below (keep reading whole article).... That Allah Himself is Beautiful and Love the Beauty.... Not Beauty to be Concealed... instead factors/elements which may directly or indirectly lead to instigation of Lust (selfish emotions of greed etc) in the eyes of beholder.... to be Curbed n Neutralized by the way She is dressed....

B) Face of Muslim woman must be covered/concealed, Otherwise it may cause 'Fitna' (Evil Act) : It means if her face is not covered, then her face n her eyes may evoke sense of evil into the eyes of Muslims males...! If we accept this theory of theocratic scholars then It's is directly the Scornful, disdainful degradation of the status of our Beloved Sisters.... Their face maybe every thing else... but... they, a True Muslim girl's face can never be a source of Stirring Evil emotions.... instead her Innocent, Sober, Dignified, Graceful and confident expressions over her face into her eyes... can evoke sense of pure Regard, love n care for her... which a Muslim male being her friend, being her religious brother should feel for her.... As well as, it is a proven fact now a days that under the cover of face concealment Evil aimed girls hide their true expressions dancing on her face and into her eyes.... they enjoy and lustfully Ogle and Stare everybody with their eyes from behind the Naqab (veil for face)..... moreover, if face is covered... nobody can distiinguish a Really good n sober girl from a Disguised one aimed at pretending so to enjoy her instinctive dictations .... If her (a good Muslim girl's) face itself may evoke evil emotions then it means her blood relatives should also avoid looking at her....but this is not so... means it is the evil intentions of beholder not her face which evoke evil desires... Face (including eyes) is the main source of expression of Internal Beauty of her thought.... so how can she express her beauty if covered.... the other source of expression is verbal/oral... but that is limited on restricted and can only be known when talked... but at least everybody should see her face to know her Intentions and above all It is necessary that face is Uncovered... because no.1.... it expresses her True Beauty and never itself evokes and stirs and triggers Lust, no. 2, because She can nnot be Recognized/identified by anyone if covered faced... And above all... the Essence is that A Muslim girl's face is the Source of the exprssion of her Love for her Creator and the expressions of the intensity of her Piety, her chastity, her Self esteem, her dignity, her confidence, her self-honor, her noble aims... etc. if covered how can she express n impress anyone...???!!!! then what difference shall remain between her's face and a demi rep and nymphet's and circe and siren's face ?!!!!!! Only Those part of body/flesh to be covred which themselves may arouse lust... ie. naked flesh which doesn't express thoughts n feelings instead either directly activated by lust or arouse lust or remain dead in any case... (all body except face/eyes, hands, feet and somehow/partially her hair)... Everybody knows... Every girl is not beautiful... but every girl if naked (no matter how repulsive at face etc. or complexion etc.) can instigate men lust... So, an Embodiment of Aesthetic, Graceful and Decently...Sober dressing girl with a beautiful face uncovered never arouses lust (Can of course arouse Regard, Love and care) ... but a defaced & diseased old lady with naked body may still arouse lust... NOT LOVE.... If only her (female) face is Evil-desires arousing ... then what culprit we may decide for Evil acts like Sodomy/ homosensuality among males... ? .. Moreover, another aspect is that Why to Conceal the face when it is ITSELF not the Source of Lust ? but instead it is just the Source of Internal expressions of both Lust effusing and Love Evoking elements…! And Only Female face triggers evil desire… what about male (men) faces ?! are they not humanbeings ? what about hiding them (covering them ) to avoid creation of sensual instigations into females..?!! And What if when female face is defaced or mishaped or Ugly/repulsive etc. even then it should be concealed or let uncovered then ?!!! Can that still arouse male’s lust ?! or instead Repel them even to come near to her ?!… If face is covered… how the purpose of Identity and recognition may be achieved ?! How will you know Is she your mother/sister/wife…. If you see any woman fully Covered/face concealed…?! …. One More objectionable point is that if a woman is face covered then unnecessarily the Curosity to know who she is is.. is aroused n struk naturally…as well as that how she may be looks wise… So, these unnecessary impetus of Curosity in males as well as in females too maybe neutralized by keeping face as uncovered….All the Attention to be given to keep the face as a True Mirror of her’s Internally Sublime emotions n feelings… instead of that we allow women (negatively intentioned ones) a chance n way to utlize this facility for negative means…ie. Hiding their indentity, hiding their emotions/expressions, looking everyone (males etc.) and themselves remain unidentified, if fully covered any malintentioned male maybe disguised /pretend himself as woman for wrong means.. There are lots of Disadvantages and Odds to keep the face concealed…

Another Aspect is that…. As per Quran, Muslim Men n Women are Islamic Companion of each other. Companion means a friend, a helper and a friend, maybe a guard n guide, but may not be a Theif or daciot of honor n body’s sanctity… And to be a friend, means to have Pure, Sincere, frank and mutually regardful relation… means, they must know each other… not only they should be able to recognize each other but also be aware of each other’s thoughts, feelings and emotions so that they can help each other, can share eachother’s griefs and joys too… and can guard them when they are in danger and save their physical honor… For this purpose, it is necessary that between them there is sense of Mutual love n Care… a relation of friendship…. Not a wall of Alienation and Strangerness… Can any guy endanger/peril/jeopardize his life for the honor’s sake of any Alien girl ?! chances are very rare… because he doesn’t know either she is Chaste and virtuous or any vulgar woman ! Even if he wishes to save her from Rascals but he will be unwilling to peril his life… because there is no such Emotional bond between them, no relation of friendship ie. No sincerity, no sharing, no frankness.. no recognition of each other… instead a Wall of Alienation, A strangerness… So, to be true friends/companions they need to know each other in a DECENT manner, in a manner that two good friends should know each other… There should be no Sense of fear or dread in the heart of any Muslim girl of Assault at her body/honor from Muslim males… instead a Senseof Friendly Patronage, guarding n guiding, helping n sharing from them.. as Sense of being friend of them… not a Foe or enemy…. A Sense that they can come n meet her, talk n listen to her, see n discuss with her…. Share her griefs and guide her, assure her their selfless sacrifices and confirm their friendship… not that they cannot come near her/cannot see her/cannot meet her/cannot listen her..they are alien, they are starngers.. it’s all SIN…. NO, NO NO NO… Never…. !!!!!!!!!! Remember, Alienation and Strangerness evokes n intensifies desire of lust… and friendship/companionship subdues/neutralizes that negative desire…. It’s natural Phenomenon… Of course, they may choose their life partners from their Islami Companions…. This is very Virtuous way of marrying the best human beings… instead of Blind Flesh deal arranged by parents/elders/ society in the name of marriage…. Later causing abhorable consequences.. and inhuman degradations… friendship and companionship in a decent manner leads to true love… and Aleination, segregation etc. leads to Hostile/negative emotions in the shape of Lust…. As anybody can be witness of such Phenomenon in prevailing society of ours…. Remember…. Islamic Friendship and companionship doesn’t (DOESN’T) mean Promiscuous relations (Like in West, USA, Europe etc.)… but Truly friendly Pure relation…. In a Decent Manner… Remember Face of females, their Nearness physically even talking/seeing/listening to them NEVER creates desire of Lust… Itself…Like No Good Muslim feels desire of lust for his sistrers ever… even Good Muslims don’t usually feel lust desire for their female cousins, for their Class mates, for their Collegues, for their neighbours etc. etc. with whom they have good friendly (True Sense of frienship between Virtuous n mature Muslims)…. Relations….Because relation of friendship means Mutual Trust n Sharing ….that’s why it evokes Positive Emotions which never generate Lust like desires… but Healthy Positive desires like they may consider each other as Bro n Sis or wish to become Blessed life partners… but in any case their emotions are pure n healthy…. But when Alienation n segregation is adopted then Negative emotions are insurgent n create Lust/greed like desires… all Unhealthy n perverted emotions erupt…. And cause problems…

6- As per Quran....Zeenat (Adoration/decoration) to be concealed from strangers and NaMehram (ie. those males who are not blood relatives)... but Zeenat can remain uncovered to Mehram... And by Zeenat Scholars/Jurists think it means Articles of Adoration like Jewelry etc. : This aspect must be pondered and give attention in the light of when this Ayah (verse) and Quranic Injunction was revealed... ie. keeping in view the Era, Environment and Culture and Position and Status and Situations of Muslims n Muslim women in that period of Islam to be kept in mind then to construe the meaning, application and importance of this verse n order.... Of course, Precious decorations like Jewelry better to avoided to display for two reasons... no.1 to avoid risk of assault aimed at theft, no. 2... to avoid feeling of ostentatious approach in the eyes of beholder.. and to avoid feeling of haughty demeanour and a sense of being poor etc. in the eyes of beholder.... So, this aspect of dress not directly or indirectly considered with the theory of Concealing Lust-Provoking factors... but it is different aspect... which may vary in accordance with era, period, culture, situations etc.

7- Conventional Scholars give all attention for NaMehram and not for Mehram:- Whey they forget that it's not so that a girl pay due attention only before Non-Blood-relative men and maybe careless (I don't use word fear-free or dread-less) before blood-relatives.. they say She should not disclose her "BEAUTY" before other men (except of home)... and by beauty they mean her body curves and her flesh color and her overall body shape etc. .... ie. they mean she never should never wear tight or see thru dressing... ie. ok... but they forget such principle is not only cofined for NaMehram (Non-Blood relatives)... but also applies for Close relatives ie. father, brothers, sons... even husband.... and even favored n admirable if applied before females too. My theory actually revolving that Such dress ie. Loose, Non See thru, well covering, sober and aesthetic one.. is not aimed at just Concealing body from strangers... but aimed at giving her look of Honor/Grace & Beauty... So, like she wishes and every girl wishes to look beautiful before everyone including close relatives n females...so she does make-up... same way it is not so that she can wear tight fitting or see thru or dignity-less dressing before her father, brohters etc. or even her husband.... Because, She is not a thing.. that to be Concealed from Theives and when they gone... can be displayed.. her Honor her dignity her pride and her sanctity is beyond anything else... that should remain in effect even when is is alone with her husband.... ie. she must look like an embodiement of BEAUTY & GRACE not a Thing of Lust Provoking....it is great mistake that She better be looking Inviting before her husband ... NO, never... She is his Honor and Pride... She is his Wife... Not just a Girl for his Instinctive Bestial desires's Satiation.... (that is never meant.... Refer to my Articles on Marriage, Lust vs. love and beauty of Conjugal relation).. The difference is that of course she has all the rights to come before him in any state (or any kind of dress) but that is just her Right in a needed situation of any emergency of very intimate moments.... in general she should look like a Honorable Princess & Queen of home.. not a meretritious doll.... or a Courtesan... If she is not Stressed to look like a Dignifed entity before every relation (no exception that before only stranger males).... then there is alarming danger and peril of HORRIBLE moral crimes... Ranging from Conjugal Degradation and Perversion to..... Incestuous Filth.....(then our socalled conventional scholars cannot answer now what and who EVOKED Fitna /evil desire among blood relatives for her...). On the other hand.... if her self, her entity, her being reamins as Honorable, Graceful, dignifed and Embodiment of TRUE Beauty... then of course, let alone blood relatives.. but every stranger male would also consider blessed to feel Emotions of Respect, Regard, Pure/selfless love and freindly Care for her.... with no pollution and contimination of lust and greed... that is the difference..... between my philosophy and others....

8) Muslim women dress must not be similar or resembling to a Non Muslim girls' dress:
There are some points to evoke our thoughts.... no.1, Such factor and instruction was of great importance n vital significance in Early Era of Islam when Disbelivers would live side by side....no.2 It is not necessary that a Non Muslim girl wears different dress, she may wear same/simlar dress like now a days happening... women wear dress as per Culture of country/area etc. irrespective of their relgion etc. no.3. Such dissimilarity of dress was necessary in Early days when disbelieving women dress would be Contradictory to Islamic theory, so if any disbeliving group of women may introduce any kind of dress style exactly fulfilling Quranic requirements and rather Aesthetic n Graceful then no harm in wearing that dress..everybody would agree that today's tight fitting /see thru dresses of Muslim girls are rather condemable as compared to the Sober dressing of high official women of USA ie. President wife and others... So, first priority is Graceful dressing then if this is not met then that dress to be discarded.. no.4 Importance to given to that dress which can not only give Aesthetic sense, Sense of Grace and honor but also must be Feminine one... I mean like Pants/Jeans/Trousers/T-shirts etc. are not feminine dresses so even if they can well fulfil requirements of loose and well covering non see thru dressing ... but a Muslim woman should avoid wearing them, as they contradict her Femininity...no.5, the difference between a Muslim n Non Muslim girl's dress is not only their ourter raiment... but Other Aspects like expressions, manner of walking etc. too count a lot (details below).... So, only garment doesn't make a difference unless other factors forgotten or neglected.... they are rather important and are essential part of dreds code.

9- Female dress should be different from Male dress: This is very valid point.... But if a female dress being in vogue and widely common.... is rather Contrasting to Quranic requirement (ie. now a days common See thru, tight fitting, low necked/low backed fabrics) then better to wear other kind dresses ie. Thick fabric loose full covering pant-shirts etc. although they are male ones & will snatch her's femininity shine... but at least they will not make her an object for lust quenching....

Islam never asks any girl to hide/Conceal/Cover her Beauty....! Because her beauty (Not to be confused with external Ornamentation ie. Zeenat in Quranic word which can attract some other kind negative intentions like snathcing of precious ornaments etc. or those kinds of cheap adornments which may give expression of meretritious character, or or those kind of of adoration/decoration/ornamentation which is amied at Haughty Ostentatious look… instead of Refinement/Aesthetic Pleasure….) is her Modest eyes, her Sober face, her Dignified Voice, Her Confident manner of walking, Her refined Thoughts & her demure style... instead Quran asks a Muslim girl Wear the Dress so as aimed at Abollishing/Attenuating/minimizing any Natural Lust Provoking factors/elements of her Body n Self….. by hiding/Cioncealing/covering her Lust-Instigating parts... ie. her breasts/bust, even not only just cover them, but cover in a manner as to hide even the Curves of body (even today's socalled purdah observing girls wear burqah, but that does not well cover their curves, same with duppatta, even their manner of walking, manner of speaking/voice, facial or eye expressioins convey undignified meanings and intentions..... then why cover body, first purify and reinfe your soul) so Islam doesn't only wish to Cover girls’ bodies/flesh, but make them Dignified and Graceful... Islam wishes when any Muslim boy looks at her then he feels her Honored and feels into his heart a true sense of Respect and Love n care, that he feels proud to call she is my Islamic friend/Islamic Sister....

What is the Aim of Dressing : To Cover the Flesh ? To Conceal All Body parts ? To cover the whole entity ? To Cover Lust-Provoking Body parts ? to Conceal Lust provoking body parts ? Or to Give the Self of a wearer a look of Elegance n Honor...?! What ?! of course the latter one.

Aim of Dressing: To Give the Self of a Wearer (not just to a body)... a "Look" of ELEGANCE/GRACE & HONOR/DIGNITY... by ATTENUATING/MINIMIZING/FINISHING the Lust-Provoking Self Elements/factors (Internal ones through emotions) & Body Parts (expressed those emotions through dressing to be realized by everyone who looks). Another purpose of dressing is also to safeguard against Hostile Weather/environmental factors but that is not concerned here with this topic. (Here this is not to be forgotten that Sense of Lust Porvoking/meretritious dressing and Dignified/Honorable dressing also differs/varies Culture to Culture.....

What are factors/elements which constitute a Look of Elegance n Honor...????!... : Each n every Entity-forming part to be fully aware of the Aim of Dressing and in harmony with such dressing (as mentioned above)..... ie. Aim in life (General Ideas), Heart (emotions), Mind (Senses), Expressed/Visible Flesh (body), Facial and Eye Expressions, Manner of Speaking/Tone/Words etc., Manner of Walking, Postures....
Which are Lust Provoking Elements/ parts n why ?: All the body except Face, hair, hands/fingers, feet below ankles.... especially Bust Curves to be full covered, as well as must be cared to cover frontal below neck, back of neck n below area.... these are common mistakes...not to care for them. Actually face/eyes is the source of expressing your internal emotions of honor/dignity/self esteem, and hands/feet are a compulsion to remain uncovered... as well as they are better serving to form Aesthetic part of body instead of lust-provoking... and it draws a men's attention towards her Aesthetic beauty not her flesh/body's lust.... as well as hair are external part of her body, so they also draw attention but Aesthetic ones... not Sensual ones...

Importance of Thoughts n feelings: Even if any girl wears 'Apparently Perfect dress in tune with Quranic Essence', but Internally if her Emotions are not Pure or her aim of dressing is not matching her external dressing then sure she may never look as Honorable/dignified/graceful as she must or what a dress is meant to be.... first comes Pure emotions then dress is only a means to express that internal & reflect esoteric feelings... otherwise instead of being a way of expressing internal emotions, dress would become instead a Disguise or fallacious thing.... that would be a 'Hypocrisy'... rather abhorable than Unhidden Evil.... because even if her eyes, her facial expression, her postures, her manner of walking or talking or words ....anything at any moment may Debunk her.... like many Prostitute despite wearing Burqah cannot hide their heart's intentions.... & Similarly many Internally Gentel n Genteel girls despite wearing Not Much Modest dressing, stil seem Respectable due to the expression of their eyes/face/postures/talking/waking manner etc. etc. being of high esteem n refined.... so, both Internal n external things bear significance but even here Internal things comes first..... of course. Because the Aim of Dressing is to Attenuate/minimize the External elements of bodies which can evoke/instigate men Libido or lust.... but if she is internally lust-driven then there is no validity of External concealment instead becomes a Criminal Disguise....

Difference between Elegance (Aesthetic factor) & Superficially Meretritious-Nudity/Obscenity oriented (Lust Provoking) Attraction : Elegance is not to be confused with Meretritious or superficial charms.... It is rather supreme element...... Elegance means refinement and Grace... which must be an Integral part of a Muslim Girl... so how can she withdraw from it while choosing how to dress up ?! instead she must make all care to give this factor top priority that her Dress must be ELEGANT... n Graceful... because these things elegance/grace means to evoke Aesthetic part of beauty....and they don't mean to contain any elements augmenting to Lust-Provoking..... ie. Aesthetic beauty means (graceful n elegant dressing) that her dress should be of attraction in terms of human ingenuity and creativity as far as it doesn't touch any thing which contributes to Nudity/vulgarity & Obscenity etc. like her dress should be of Best in Colors/design/texture/fabric quality/Embroidery or bead works etc. etc. but not See-Through/Revealing/Abnormally Short/Tightly sewn/ etc. etc. .....Means that an Elegant dressing makes the beholder Inspired/Impressed with emotions of Respect & friendly love n liking for that PERSONALITY ... Whereas Superficially meretritious dressing also attracts the beholder but with Not Respect/friendly Love/Liking instead with Greed of Overcoming that body (not personality) to Satiate his lust....... Actually Elegance brings Positive emotions whereas Superficial (Nudity/obsceity oriented dressing in the name of fashion) brings Negative emotions.... That's the difference between Elegant/Graceful dressing n Superficially Attractive outfit....

Meaning of Lust: When Body becomes rather charming than SELF/PERSONALITY/ENTITY. When Sense of being Conqurred is overwhelming instead of Sense of being Inspired/Impressed. When wearer seems to have aimed at Tentalizingly Seducing & Tempting instad of being Appreciated and Admired. When the wearer evokes either hatred for herself due to meretritiousness, or Lust due to Sensual style or sense of inferiority for in the heart/eyes of beholder. When desire of Carnal appetite is aroused instead of Emotions of Love being evoked. When Greed to Overcome that body is instigated instead of Making her your Soulmate.

Meaning of Honorable/Dignified/Sober: The Overall External Impression/Look Which evokes Positive Emotions of Respect equipped with appreciation/liking/impression/inspiration etc. (which touches the heart- overall personality) as opposed to the Negative emotions of Greed/lust (which touches the libido - only confied to the flesh/body not self/personality)
Is Beauty to be Concealed ?!!!
What is Beauty ? and what things, Elements, Factors to be hidden n why ?
Why n how any thing to be covered/ hidden ?
Due to being Abhorable generally Since generations ie. psychologically/socially like genital parts (being covered since Jungle life era)
1. due to being Dirty n Filthy Physically to senses like Dirt/garbage n Dung etc. or foul smell
2. Due to being Unpleasant to Looks like any disfiguration ie. scar/cut/wounds etc.
Due to avoid Environmental harm ie. Skin damage from Sunrays n complexion darkening from sunlight n dirt/dust etc.
3. Due to being Lust-Provoking to Opposite gender

So, something to be covered due to these above reasons/categories... Now we have to see from teh above things an thing comes into beauty...? Genitals, Dirt n garbage/dung, Scars/cuts/wounds .... of course don't come into Beauty category... As regards safeguarding from environmental hazard by covering of Skin/flesh .... of course has nothing as regards Concelment of Beauty... but just a physical need...... So here comes the last n most significant n Abstruse in nature ie. Lustr Provoking parts/elements/factors... now e have to discuss Either LUST...is a positive or negative thing... either it is beneficial for or harmful... what follows after Lust has been aroused ?! and what follows after Lust has been Quenched....?! and ie. Lust is the part of Beauty constituting Elements/factors or not ??! ..... so, reer to my description of Lust, we can see that Lust is a negative element... A Selfish Emotions... A Lower level Emotion... So when Lust is Aroused (by a Nude/Sensual female body) then follows Negative feelings in opposite gender (men) and they wish or make a Assault at her body (Rape) or have Degrading Sex with mutual inclinations (Adultery) or atleast think/feel for her in a greedy/filthy & selfish manner to at least quench their carnal appetites in dreams or imaginations if not possible physically... mean that they don't consider her a Humanbeing Self.. but a female Sex body... for Sensual pleasure.... And now look at that what is left behind after Lust has been quenched.... ie. She has a body with feeling that He tried to Overcome her body n proved His supremacy adn to Devalue her as much as he can. to leave her with feeligns that she is thing of interst as far as she is a Sex-Body.... nothing else... So, this is a Rotten fruit which is left after lust been applied... And now we have to see is this or can it be the part of Beauty forming elements/factors..???!!! Of course, without a doubt anything which Evokes/arouses/instigates NEGATIVE (Selfish/greedy/lower) Emotions cannot be a part of Beauty....! Because Nothing can be called Beautiful unless THAT is Equipped with a Sense of /Touch of High Class Grace n Dignity..... and Grace is a kind of element which means to generate/create emotions of Regard n Love in the beholder... and regard n love cannot be created if something (female self etc.) looks to be of less value or Selfishly accessible for EVERYONE... ie. a demi-rep or prostitute's body is less covered to be Enjoyed by and take delectation by every onlooker... like a dung is so cheaper ie. spread on roads and a garbage is so cheaper that abhorabley cast into dustbins or garbage drums... the Cheaper articles are hanging outside the shop for display but the precious ones are just mentioned on boards but kept packed into boxes because they are of value.. So of course nude/revealing outfit can draw attention but cannot evoke emotions of regard n love (grace).... but greed n selfishness (lust)... So, it is proved that lust is not a part of beauty.... they are instead clashing/contrasting....
So, now it is also proven that "Beauty" is not that thing which neds to be Concealed.... but other mentioned above five tyupes factors /elements to be Neutralized... is the aim of Dressing..... and such aim cannot be met only via outfit... but must be suppored by other most important INNER elements.... ie. Conscious Awarness of Aim of dressing, Unpollutedness and NonContiminatedness of feelings which are expressed via external organs ie. Eyes, face, manner of speaking, manner of walking, postures ec. etc. ...All these when combined form A LOOK of Beauty.... (Neatness/Cleanness, Honored/Dignified/Graceful style, Soberity, Maturness, Genteelness, Cultured/Civlized but Demure expressions, Humble but Confident personaltiy with high self esteem..... Evoking sense of Appreciation/liking, Regard, Love, Caring/friendly emotions...and all positive feelings....). Look of Appreciation is different from look of greed.... because only a goodlooking face can evoke appreciation but even a disfigured face girl's naked flesh instigate n inflame Lust/greed.... So, it is proved that to look Good is never Condemned in Islam.. but only Lust/greed/selfish emotions fueling elements/factors are abhorred ....
I have mentioned in seperate sections which are Beauty forming factors n beauty expressing body parts and which are factros n parts to breed., emanate n flourish Lust...

Allah (The God) is Himself Beautiful n Loves the Beauty.... so how n why to Conceal Beauty..? No, never instead it must be Spread.... none should be confusued by the wrods like Ornamentaion/ adornment/ make-up or decoratino etc. to be considered as beauty.... NO these may or may not be the part of beauty... depends upon how n why they are done... A Princess like adornment may be Graceful but a Meretritious or Cheaply Ostentatious ornamentation can be greed inviting... So even a simple persoanlity may look graceful n beautiful....

Beauty is a supreme word... beyond superficial things... It must be Expanded not to be fonfined or hidden or concealed or covered..... !!!!! So, know the beauty n let it flourish ... and know the lust n damn this filth .... Beauty enraptures the soul... and pleases the Sense... but lust provoking scene poisions the soul and is deceptive to senses.... because beauty remains forever but lust instigators perish with time...

The Whole Concept of women dress code in Islam.. revolves around the one Word... 'Modesty' .... Modesty in Thoughts n feelings which are expressed as Grace outward thourgh Expressions, Speaking n Postures etc. and the dress is nothing but another tool to External Expression of Internal Modesty.... So, Outfit must be Modesty oriented to create a touch of Grace in personaltiy to stir sense of Regard, appreciation n love in beholder.... if this aim is not met then no matter how Covering or conservative raiment is worn... is meaningless...
Remember......

A Muslim girl is not recognized with modesty instead
She is the Identity n recognition for Modesty itself….
As well as there are another Aspect of code of dress too, which is usually ignored…. Ie. Cultural Aspect… I mean, ie. In India or Pakistan or any Eastern Country where Shalwar kameez is National dress for women then if they wear dress like Pant shirt or Coat n tie or even long Skirts etc. etc. then that will seem aimed at Revealing or Tight or ostentatious or at least if nothing else then ‘Aimed at Drawing Attraction in general in opposite gender in particular)…. But the same dresses may look decent n dignified in West societies because they are used to wearing them… so Skirts seem dignified as far as they don’t get very brief like mini skirts etc. or see through or pants n shirts are normal dress as far as they are not see thru or very tight etc. in if in Pakistan any girl wears even loose shirt with loose pant so even this is morally n principly dignified dress because neither see thru, nor tight nor revealing etc. but due to being UNSUAL in society, it draws attention towards her in the sense that she is wearing West-oriented dress aimed at being Ultra Modern or Ostentatious etc. so that should be avoided (Another factor is that such dress won’t look as lovely on an Eastern girl as suitable to any western girl due to difference to personality and soceity and cultrue etc. Unless she fully adopts the other culture same as dress)….. So those kind dresses which even if fully conform to the requirments of Moral Islamic Theory for Dress code.. but not well acceptable or Unusual in the society should be avoided (not disallowed but preferred to avoid) and should prefer those dresses with much better to suit n have general acceptance

Necessary part of a Muslim Dressing: If Hair to be covered with a shawl (big veil)then also form rather lasting beauty.... so it's optional.... but a big Veil (Shawl of Stiff Fabric like cotton etc. so that it may full cover even the boyd curves not only the flesh, ie. if it is not of stiff fabric and instead flexible one then it may go alongwith body/bust curves and shape them by just sticking to them.... instead of hiding the shape) must be wrapped around body (to well cover bust n back and reaching upto knees) not only serves the purpose very easily but also gives a look of Elegance/Grace/Dignity/honor n soberity as well as enhancing Aesthetic beauty too, and shawl is an integral part as far as shalwar kameez is concerned.... although no other dress can match/supersede its beauty, but some other outfits too can be worn if they can fulfil the requirements discussed here, like loose n thick fabric 3 pcs Men’s Coat-pants or even loose/baggy jeans with baggy t-shirt with big shawl of stiff fabric etc. but these outfits miss the charm, spell and aura of femininity which Shalwar kameez type raiment bears….

Which kind of dress Covering then cannot be permissible: Forbidden ones are which fully covers full body/body parts, or which conceals face or which coneals eyes (Because thus Aim of Elegance & Honor n Dignity cannot be met) & all other Meretritious kind dressing as mentioned under types of dressings.

Types of Dressing: Disliked ones (Not in harmony with Quranic dressing) are Close-fitting (tights), See - throughs/Sheer, Body Shaping (tight especially at core parts), Revealing (Low Cuts, Low necked/backed), Partially See-throughs (See through in sunlight or from different angles etc.), Conventional but Aimless (Like Eastern dresses ie. Shalwar Kameez with socalled duppatta worn around the neck or at one side of shoulder etc. or carelessy half way over bust or even fully over the bust but not enought to cover well while moving/different postures), Breif shalwar kameez etc. (even thick fabric, not see through, not revealing core parts but giving access to guess body shape somehow, like high shirts n high shalwar), Hard fabric/Tight n Protruding Under garments even if worn under Not See thru and thick fabric garments because they project the very core parts improperly…

Now Some about Righteousness & Men’s Liability about Wome Purdah…..

Quranic Injunction that best dress is the Dress of Righteousness:. Although I did not use this word... but if anybody readscarefully then will admit that my whole stress n urge is at this point.. of righteousness..... Because when I use word Modesty (As a Translation of Quranic Word Haya)....then what is this ? except Core of Righteousness.... if n when modesty is lost... then every Evil n wrong act maybe perpetrated..... So, I concentrate on Modesty... being the Pivot of Righteousness, as well as when I use word 'Internal Purity of emotions n feelings'... it also means the same ie. feelings n emotions of Righteousness.... (which I say are expressed by the way of face n eyes n postures externally)...

As per Quran Men's Responsibility to lower their Gazes: I do agree... but of course, men cannot respect any meretritiously clad girl or any woman who doesn't well care of her garment or any girl who is haughty or ostentatiously donned. Men's liability commences from the moment when they see a properly Clad and over all Dignified/graceful girl.... then not only they are bound to express thier respect for her.. but naturally in the heart of every good man there comes a sense of regard, love n care for her... which is expressed by his eyes... n on his face.. n overall body postures.... As well as Quranic Injuction for men to keep their gazes lowered... means not to Stare improplery so that she may not feel nervous or disturbed.... but this is rather applicable for Righteous or modest girls not for haughty/ostentatious/meretritious demi reps.... Suppose if any guy lowers his eyes when any such superficially clad girl is passing through then won't she consider herself as if she has impressed him or at least he is humble enough and cannot afford her lustre n dazzle of lust provoking treasures..?! if he stares greedily then she will be of opinion as if he is dying for her lusty body and if he submissively lowers his gazes then she will consider him as if coward or self inferiored man.... But if he looks at her with a gaze of Hatred, Contempt, Scorn, disrespect and anger.... then of course she will feel devalued internally and be also of the feeling that her such tantalizing body doesn't have any charm/attraction or value in the eyes of Righteous, Sober n Modest guys (Muslims especially)..... This is what Quran wishes.... ie. An expression of Regard-n-Care for Modest girls and An expression/treatment of Contempt, Disrespect n anger for Immoral Delialah/Siren/temptress n seductress... And above all Quran's main heed is to Avert/Minimize or Subdue the Arousal of Lusty emotions in the heart/ eyes of beholder... so suppose the beholder may have pure n loving/caring emotions for her.. like a brother /sincere friend has for his sister/selfless selfesteemed friend... then won't it be much appropriate to look at her with Regards-expressing+Love-showering+Care-Assuring Eyes...?! than just to lower the eyes.. when he comes across any Modest Muslim Sister by Islam..? Never forget that when Quran was being Revealed, at that time Situation was quite different so verses paid attention to especially Curb n Neutraize the Evil keeping in view that Time/Era/Situations/Environment etc. ..so our duty is to pay due concentration to what is Quran's Philosophy and Aim... instead of just acting on it's dictated words without understanding their Soul... So when Aim is Garment of Righteousness.. so now we must try to Get it in any manner.... Either by Covering or Uncovering the face or by Lowering gazes or Looking into eyes...... Will our sister in Islam feel great .... if she notes that wherever she passes through every Muslim male just lowers his eyes.. not sure either due to respect or only due to fear of punishment from Allah if stared her face.... Or Will she feel great... if she notes that every Muslim male not necessarily looks at her, but if naturally or by chace looked and their eyes clashed... then he or she greets each other with Salam...and she sees his eyes are full of brotherly/friendly regard/care/love and pure emotions..like I /we do for our morally good cousins/class felows/neighbours etc. if we come across them (Never forget Quran says "Muslim Men n Women are friends of each other"... as well as another verse says…." Morally Good/Chaste Males are for Good Natrued/Chaste Women and Immoral/evil men are for immoral/Evil women" ….and of course these verses are not restricted or confined or keeping in view any specific era but general n everlasting philosophy... (What do you say ?)

Some Major Mistakes in our Society etc which are due to UnConscious or Ritualistic practices even done by those who are Dignified Women /girls as compared to those who are Ostentatious ones..:

Covering Only Head by Scraf or Duppatta etc.

Wearing Tight Dress, Although Covered with big duppatta or shawl or Coat but body shaping image perceptible by legs and sleeves etc.

Fully Draped flesh but with See-Thru dress, even if not tight and loose enough but still Flesh is Seen thru it.

Wearing Duppatta or Shawl but not large enough even normally covering Critical parts ie. Bust and back, but when moving hands while sitting, standing or hold bus rod etc. etc. their such bust area is Uncovered for a while or so and thus that Covering becomes useless..

Wearing only Duppata or Shawl etc. only from Front Side ie. Bust and left the back side to cover, thus even though from front side bust area is Covered but from back side body shape is perceptible visually. Above all, from sides ie. Shoulder below side, their Bust area/shape is easily seen, thus that becomes Useless….

Most of Women/Girls usually not covering their heads but properly covering their bust etc. and this is quite true to Islamic theory… But they do big mistake ie. While there is any hearing of Azan, then promptely try to Cover their head with their Bust-Covering Cloth piece and thus while doing so… they usually leave their bust area uncovered fully or partially for some moments and thus that becomes useless too.

Some Women wear Outdated and Old styled Burqah (Women Coat) which seems very Churlish type and totally Mars and spoils the personality of wearer, however such burqah now worn by only Uneducated and Outdated Uncultured women only. This is also UnIslamic, because not only it is unable to well cover and hide the shape of body (instead fits to body shape) secondly, it makes personality degraded.

Some girls/women although properly covering their bust Area shawl and even from back side too, as well as wearing non see thur and Coarse or loose dress too, but make a big mistake ie. Their Neck Cut is low enough ie. From front and back side both, that gives their personality a touch of Sensuality which mars the whole impression of sobriety and dignity.

Dress Code: Dress not worn only to cover body due to compulsion unwillingly… or just worn to hide flesh or to wear to cover without sense of elegence or adornment…. Neither to show off ostentatiously the flesh or curves or worn with style of superficial n selfish greed etc…. But Dress must look like or reflect a Mirror or image of Inner Beauty and refinement in thought n emotions n feelings n aims…. Dress just should look like an EXPRESSION of inside Personality…. If any personality evokes sense of Selfless Love, guarding/guiding affection, friendly emotions, ungreedy n sincere feelings, respectful impression, healthy admiration etc. then it means her dress is Islamic /Quranic Dress…. And She is Truly Beautiful and Elegant and Graceful… But if dress neither evokes respect, nor affection, nor sincerity, nor admiration…. Instead greed… then no matter what, either due to flesh display or due to curves prominence or style and manners/postures etc. but that must be a Non Islamic/Non Quranic Dress…

[johnnyyyyyyy]

Phir itni bari post
pehli post parh nahi saka
doosri bari post
woh bhi red say green mey

[sweetlemon]

very true, trueguy! I dont understand that everytime all the time the points r raised for women..ok u talked all about wht women should do, but wht about the points wht men should do?

ap nay "perday" ko islam ki roshni say itni detail may samjhaya hay kay aurton ko aysay kerna chahay, ager ap islam per itni detail say hi act kertay han tu phir her chez may karen, u should be then perfect 100% in every aspect of life according to Islam, for that the major things in islam u should be perfect in that.. first of all u should be 5 time performing the prayer with full heart, then u should be perfect in ur behaviours towards other... Haqooq ul Ibad sab say pehlay perfect honay chahy her insan kay that is the major thing which has to be followed, perda tu bohat agay ki aur chotay masaial may ata hay... ek auret perday ka khayal nahi rekhti hay likin doosron kay huqooq pori terha say poray ker rahi hay, kisi ka dil nahi dukhati hay, doosron ki meded kerti hay, apni khuwahishon ko mar ker doosron kay leay jiti hay, khidmaty khaleq may masroof rehti hay her waqet, then meray khayal say wo un aurton say kaheen derja bheter hay jo sirf perda kernay ki fiker may rehti han aur kuch nahi kerteen, na haqooq ul ibad ki fiker kerti han, na ukay behaviour achay han na kisi ki meded kerti han bas full perday may rehti han then unka wo perda kisi kam ka nahi hay.... perda na kerna is not a major sin jis kay oper itni bahes ki jaay yah itna serious hoa jaay...

aurton ko tu ap pori terha say islam per amel kernay ko keh rahay han kay wo perday may bhi perfect ho jaaen per wht about men, unko bhi sabeq den kay wo bhi phir islam per pori terha say amel karen.. merdon ka aurton kay sath kia behaviour hota hay, mostely merd hazrat ka apni aurton kay sath behaviour itna bura hota jay jaysay wo unkay leay ek nokarani hay ya unki gulam hay, jabkay islam nay tu kaheen aysa nahi kaha kay wo gulam han ya unkay sath gulam wala sulook kia jaay..

ap ki socity may zayda bayhayaei merd phela rahay han.. teekh hay aurton aysay kapray pahen rahi han jo fahashi pehlati han per u should know kay ALlah nay merd ko resposibility di hay aurton ka khayal rekhnay ki aur un ki nigrani kernay ki, tu phir jitni aurten jo aysay kapray pahen ker baher nikelti han ya perda nahi kerteen tu phir yah un merdon per gunah hay jin ki wo maen, biwian, betian aur behnay han.. unhon nay unhay kyun nahi ruka kyun kuch nahi kaha? kyun janay dia aysay baher? that is all the resposibility of men whom have given the resposibility to take care of their women.

u know trueguy.. this is mentiond in hadith that men will be questioned for their women for wearing that lustfull dress... ap idher jo beth ker itnay comments aurton ko day rahay han wohi ap un merdon ko un logon ko den, unkay leay artical likhen jo socity may fahashi phela rahay han, by selling movies, by pressing naked pics on magizines & fixing that boards of girls in roads advertising their products through females in non islamic dress...

gareeb ghar ki zarooret mend lerkian job ki talash may phirti han, ghar may roti khanay kay paisy nahi hotay, kisi ka bap mazoor hay un perh hay itnay paisay nahi kay ghar chala saken, tu lerkian bechari baher offices may jati han jobs kay leay majboori aur muflasi unko yah sab kernay per majboor kerti hay aur phir offices may kia hota hay, unkay boss wahan kay male staff najaiz faida uthatay han unka..u know trueguy offices may demand ki jati hay lerkion say kay wo aysay kapray pehnay jo attrect karen sexy looking hon... tu kia ap un merdon ki sooch per kuch kehna pasend karen gay? jo ek majboor lerki ki majboori ka faida uthatay han aur mazay laytay han? kia islam sirf aurton kay leay hi hay? kia merdon kay leay nahi hay kuch?

kaysi kaysi majboor aurton hamari socity may phir rahi han jinhay halat itna majboor ker daytay han kay wo nengi phi ho jati han, so wo unko nenga kernay walay kon han jo ek gareeb muflis lerki ka najaiz faida uthatay han? kia wo aysi lerki ko Allah ki rah may paisay day ker uski meded bhi ker sektay han likin nhi wo uskay jisim ka faida uthatay han... just go deep in the socity, bohat sekht burain han hamari socity may unko kureden aur unko baher nikalen aur un per aritical likhen, aysay badmash aur zaleel merdon ko bay naqab karen jinhon nay muashray ko ganda ker dia hay... her jaga aurt galat nahi hoti.. sab say pehlay major aur baray gunahon ko comment karen aur unka safaya karen tu yah chotay chotay perda na kernay walay gunah khudi kahtem ho jaaen gay...

aur han ap nay jaysay apni pehli post may likha kay aurton ko sharam nahi ati kay wo undergarments kharedti han aur personal masail scholars say disscuss kerti han.. tu ap bataen na phir ager aurte apnay ghar may kisi merd ko kahaen kay undergarment la do tu bhi ap usay baysharm kahen gay kay apnay bap bhai ko aysay keh rahi hay, aur jab wo bechari khud baher ja ker khareday tu bhi baysharm ban gayi... insaf karen zara es baat per... awel tu undergarments kharedna koi buri baat ya bayhayaei wali baat nahi hay, undergarments ek zaroorat hay aur ek natural chez hay jis may sharam kernay wali koi baat nahi hay, wo khareed rahi han wahan salesmen ko pahen ker nahi deekha rahi han, salesmen ko bhi pata hona chahay kay yah ek natural chez hay aur uskay ghar may bhi ma bahene han, there is nothing to shy about... phir wo dukan may rekhi model body ko dukandar nude ker daytay han tu es may bhi yani ap kay khayal say aurtan bayhaya han jo udher kyun khari han.. wo jo merd aysa ker rahay han unka aysay kernay may koi gunah nahi hay kia?

personal masail ager kisi auret ko han tu wo kisi Alamy deen say bhi nhi pooch sekti, yah bhi galat kam ho gaya kia?.. Islam nay tu aysa kuch nahi kaha, hamary Nabi nay khud her maslay per baat ki hay, aurten unkay pas masail lay ker ati theen aur wo unhay khud batatay thay unka hel.. yah baat kahan say galat ho gayi, aur persoanl masail jaysay periods han un per sharam ki kia baat hay, that is a natural thing which happens, its a body science, it has an importance itself, wht is the point to shy about it? infact that was our origin the material which we r made from.. grow up!

shuker hay ap nay yah nahi kaha kay auret sab kay samnay toilet jati hay pishi ya potty kernay tu usay sharam ani chahay... excuse me but jitna ap auret ko sharamo haya ki hadood may band ker rahay han utna hay nahi... her chez ka daromadar neyat per hay, insan ki kis waqet kia neyat thi that is actual point.. aur kitnay merd han aysay jo auret ko doost samjh ker doost ki terha say us kay sath rahan gay.. ap akelay han jo khud yah sooch rahay han kay sab muhafez ban jaaen gay merd, ager aysa hota tu phir tu muashra kitna azeem hota hamara, per ap zara merdon ki zahneat per bhi roshni dalen kay wo aurton say unkay muhafez banay kay leay doosti kertay han ya phir enjoy kernay kay leay?

teekh hay ap nay jo kuch likha bilqul sahi likha per baat ek group ke ki hay ap nay doosra group muashray ko kharab kernay may kitna zimidar hay aur kitna involve hay us per bhi nazer sani kejeay....

[trueguy]

Mujhey barra afsos ho raha hay yeh dekh ker kay main aap se baat EAST ki ker raha houn aur ap log Jawab /behas WEST ki ker rahay hain...

Main nay PERDAY ka kab naam lia hay?????

Main nay to Islam kay Zabta e Libaas - Dress Code ki baat ki hay
Main nay to batana hi yehi chaha kay Islam main Quran main Dress Code hay, Perda hay hi nahi....

Dress Code kuch aur hay aur kia hay.. yeh article main tafseel se bataya hay

Perdey ki jab baat hi nahi ki to aap SWEET LEMON itna pareshan kion hain...

Aur sab yeh kion samajh rahain hain kay mujhay aurton ya lerkion se koi DUSHMANI hay

Allah na karay main to un se BUHUT HI ZIADA PYAR UAR IZZAT KERTA houn unki...

Main yahan ager Dress code per baat ker raha houn to ap sab mujhey yeh kion keh rahay hain k is per baat kerna waste of time hay fuzool hay aur pehlay merdoun ko yeh karo ya us cheez per discuss karo etc.
Arey bhai... jese Dangue Virus - Cancer se - Aids se minor disease hay mager.... insan mer to jaata hay na Dangue virus se bhi...

To ager aik doctor Dangue virus per discus ker raha hay uski treatment bata raha hay to koi kahay kay yeh to chotti chez hay, cancer ka ilaaj batao ya aids ka hal nikalo --- to yeh Absurd ya mazhaka khaiz baat nahi kia???

Mere paas UGLY guy sahab kay SAB points ka Tafseeli jawab hay MASHAALLAH se... aur asa hay kay wo sahab perh ker apan sa mu le ker reh jaayain gay.. sherminda houn gay koi jawab nahi hoga unkay paas..
mager...

mera maqsad khuda na karay.. koi behas nahi hay - na hi mujhay aurton se lerkion se koi dushmani ya complex hay... mujhay to BUHUT HI ZIADA PAAK AUR NAIK JAZBA feel hota hay her naik shareef lerki ko dekh ker aur utna hi ghussa aur nafrat hoti hay buri aur awara mizaj lerkion ko dekh ker... yani main Justice kerta houn....

Tab hi chahta houn kay her lerki is daur main Libas ki bay hayai Immodesty aur immoral attack ka shikaar na ho - isey samajh sakay aur khud ko wesa bana sakay kay her naik aur shareel kerkay k dil main Paak aur naik jazbaat izat o wiaqr kay sath muhabbat o pyar uske liay payda ho... uski care kerna chahay uski fiker kerna chahay usko guide kerna chahay uski hifazat kerna chahay - dil se uske liay dua kerna chahay...

khair - details se apnay mazeed articles main samjhahoun ga...
wese Allah ka karam hay main Khud bhi kafi had tak QURAN ki ruh k mutabiq khud ko mould kernay ki koshish kerta houn aur behter se behter kerna chahata houn main khud ko...

Aur dosroun ko sahi raha batana khud buhut barri naiki hay.....
Is sawal ka jawab kay Aurton aur lerkion ko itna guide kerna chahta houn - wo yeh kay jo cheez ZIADA Qeemti aur Nazuk hoti hay usi ki hifazat ziada ki jati hay usi ki fiker ziada ki jaati hay... Heeray ki ziada fiker hoti hay pather ki kam... sheeshay ki ziada fiker hoti hay lohay ki kam... bas yehi baat hay... Quran main bhi khawateen kay liay khas guidelines hain....

Well, baqi batain aainda...

Please mujhay ghaalat main samjhain. Main Muslim hi nahi.. her Mazhab aur Culture ki Naik aur shareef Achi lerkion se aurton se buhut Izzat o ehtram aur naik o paak jazboun aur khulos ka talluq feel kerta houn apnay dil main - even unke dukh ko dekh ker feel kerkay unke problems ko dekh ker - dil se akser ro bhi perta houn ankhain bheeg bhi jaati hain ruh se dua nikalti hay unki izzat o khushi kay liay... yeh BILKUL SACH HAY.. koi shayri nahi hay..

Fi aman Allah
True Guy

[sweetlemon]

nahi ap Dangue virus ka hul nhi bata rahay, ap malaria, chicken pox ka hul nikal rahay han bethy.. kher ap ki baat say may agree kerti hon per, may nay yah nahi kaha kay ap galat keh rahay han, baat itni si hay ek sirf ek side ko hi nasehat ki ja rahi hay, hamary muashray may jab bhi islam ki baat hoti hay tu sab say pehlay aurton say shuru ho jatay han islam ko samjhana kay auret ko yun kerna chahay auret ko aysay kerna chahay.. dress code dono kay leay han.. u know i grew up in Saudia & there merdon kay nengi tango kay sath nikelnay per bhi pabandi ker di gayi thi.. hamary han majorty garmion may merdon ko deekhan tu wo khali underwear pahen ker ghoom rahay hotay han, ghar may rehnay walay bhi apni aurton kay samnay aysay hi bethy hotay han, so i think that is wrong too then.. dress code is for everyone, kahayl rahay jab sab merd baher jaaen tu unki shirt kay button full oper tek band honay chahay, oper kay button akser khulay chor ker apna seena deekha ker ghoom rahay hotay han, that thing attracts women just like womens chest attrect men.. aur hamary han shayed yah samjha jata hay kay auret shayed bayhis si koi chez hay jisay kisi say attrection nahi ho sekti yah usay desire nahi aa sekty sirf merd hi attrect hotay han aur unhi ko desir atay han, so that is very wrong, both r same, jaysay merd auret kay styles say attrect hotay han wesay hi aurten bhi merdon kay aysay styles say attrect hoti han, auret hi fitna ka bais nhi bant merd bhi bantay han...

& i am talking about men cuz no body talks about them that how should they dress themselves, wht should they do to perevent the fitna from socitey.. merd ager porn movies deekhan tu koi kuch nhi kehta sab yahi kahen gay kay merd ki nature hay demand hay tu wo deekh laytay han per auret deekh lay tu azab aa jata hay qayamet toot perti hay, wo dunya ki baysharam aur haram auret ban jati hay.. jab ap kisi ko itna dubaen gay tu phir wo usi speed say usi chez ki terf hi jaay ga jis say ap usko bilqul cutt off ker den gay kay yah tumaray leay nahi hay, so it means kay ap nay shuru say apni bachion ko itna excited ker dia hay her chez say ruk ker aur alag ker kay, kay wo ab independent hotay hi utna hi khulti ja rahi han... ager ap shuru say bachion ko choti umer say her chez ki awarness den gay tu shayed wo na itni excitement ko apnay ander palen aur na aysa karen... so focus on that kay bachi ki brought up kaysi hoi hay kitni neglection may hoi hay kay ab jab wo khudmukhtar hoi tu us nay apni personality banany kay leay aysi dressing kernay ka soocha...

[trueguy]

Sweet Lemon Sahiba,

Sabse pehlay to yeh kay mujhay ab pata chal kay aap aik Female Member hain... kukay aap ki ID Sweet Lemon se kuch andaza nahi ho raha tha kay aap Male hain ya female...

Mujhay Khushi hay kay aap ne meri batoun se agree kia...

Well, pehlay to yeh bataiay kay aap ney mera wo Article Green fonts wala perha hay full ?

Well, ager perha hay to aapko andaza hoga kay meri soch ka standard kia hay..

Main aap ki batoun se 100% agree kerta houn aur aapki soch mashaAllah kafi achi hay...

Main to is baat ka qayil houn kay aik lerkay ko apnay gher main bhi behan to kia apney bhai kay samnay bhi bila wajah ya habit kay taur per without shirt bhi nahi rehna chahaiy..... it is against decency n modesty... but, hamaray mashray main nafsiyati taur per yeh cheez bachpan hi se bachiyan dekthi aati hain kay lerkay /bachay zara bold dressing kertay hian to yeh cheez usually itni ajeeb lagti nahi hay... aur is psychological aspect per main nay aik article likha tha but meray paas saved nahi hay wo abhi....

Lakin haan, I do agree kay merdoun aur lerkoun ko bhi UTNI hi care kerni chahiay jis terha lerkiyon ko...

Lakin main yeh kehna chahoun ga kay office main colleges main etc. jo Cultured Educated males aapko milain gay unki dressing proper hoti hay, I mean, sirf shirt buttons hi nahi balkay TIE bhi hoti hay... See through bilkul nahi hotay na shirt na hi pant... colors bhi dark hotay hain... aur Fabric bhi Thick hota hay... I mean aapko yeh pata nahi chalay ga kay inside kis color aur kis shape ki hosiery pehni hoi hay... even unkay feet bhi shoes main fully hidden hotay hain.. BUT.. in the same office--- girls are in TOTALLY different bold provocative attracting appealing INVITING dresses... See Throughs, High Chalks shirts revealing the girdle portion of the shalwar, Low Backs Cuts, Tight Fittings, Sleeveless shirts, Light colors & Thin fabric shirts n Shalwars revaling the things which must remain hidden... WHY This Difference? aap yeh bhi nahi keh sakteen kay aaj kal Acha fabric milta hi nahi ya yeh kay ab asa hi fashion hay tailors asa hi designing kertay hain.... Kukay... I work in a Building which is situated in Posh Area of Karachi plus there are MultiNational companies in my building... herein All Guys do the same decent dressing but... out of all girls only 2% girls wear Morally good dressing, all others do the prevailing latest so called Revealing n Inviting dressing..Why? I know one or two girls who wear very Dignified n Decent Shalwar Kameez, still they look Beautiful but GRACEFULLY BEAUTIFUL... htey do not hide thier faces nor they avoid talking to guys, BUT they take full care of their dress and they look GENTLE PLUS GRACEFUL PLUS BEAUTIFUL TOO... Thats what I want n wish to see our All Muslim Girls...I wish My All Muslim Sisters can become a Sign of Modesty n Gentleness and they Looks Gracefully Beautiful... neither Dull - nor - Immoral. Thats my point in NUTSHELL.

Main Un Merdoun aur Aurton ki baat to ker hi nahi raha jo Uncultrued hain... uncivilized hain, un educated hain.. main to Educated Class ki baat ker raha houn... to jab offices main university main colleges main usually lerkon ki dressing 80% Wohi hay jo 20 years pehlay thi... yani Standard Dressing SHIRT PANT N TIE n Shoes...Then WHY girls dressing has Drastically changed??! Whats the SECRET BEHIND IT? HAVE YOU EVER PONDERED OVER IT?

Muhterma sweet Lemon, bara ajeeb lag raha hay aapko SWEETLEMON kehtay hoay... I think kay aik Naik Shareef lerki ko is terha ki ID se pukartay hoay mujhay acha nahi lag raha... I mean it is not graceful Id for a good n nice girl like you.... please apna naam bataiay takey main aapko aap key naam se pukaar sakoun.. mera naam 'SHEIKH AAMIR' hay...

meray dil main Aurton aur lerkion k liay kitnay naik jazbaat hain.. yeh aap ager un lerkion se pochain jo meri friends hain to aapko sahi pata chal sakega.. ya aap us lerki se pochain jo internet k through meri Sister bani... just like my Born Sister...to aapko pata chalega... well, aap ne mera INTRODUCTION to perh hi lia hay... aapko mera mental caliber to pata chal hi gaya hoga..

Main aapki baat se 100% AGREE kerta houn kay UNNECESSARY CUROSITY develop nahi honey deni chahiay --- na hi Supressed desire create honi chahiay... Actually our Parnets or better to se our forefathers were themselves not full mature in this regard.. .they were confused between Ritulatistic Religion and Complex Traditions of society... isi liay hamain Khud se apni is generation aur aaney wali generation ko guide kerna parray ga....

Girls k liay is liay ziada likhna perta hay kay wo ZIADA NAZUK AUR ZIADA QEEMTI hain... merd un se kam Nazuk aur kam qeemti hain... Aik baap se ziada ager aik maan naik ho to wo sab bachou ko thek rakh sakti hay.. Aurat ki hamaray mashray main ABHI BHI ziada izzat hay ----ager wo khud naik aur shareef ho ba wiqar ho to.... kam se kam uska lehaz merd se to ziada hay ----

Saari buraiyan ---- like IMPROPER DRESSING, Porn Movies etc. yeh sab males k liay bhi utni hi aham hain jitni females k liay.... mager --- aap yeh mat bholiay ga kay merd main 40% modesty / haya o sherm aur 60% wiqaar / dignity hoti hay... mager lerki main... jo kay naik o shareef ho to -- us main 80% sherm o haya /modesty aur 20% dignity honi chahiay... is liay main Khawateen k liay likhta houn.... Main lerkion ko suppress kernay ka BILKUL QAYIL nahi houn.... main Daugthers n Sisters ko Sons aur brothers se ZIADA Ahmiyat aur pyar denay ka qayil houn... lakin unkey liay utni hi Cares bhi honi chahiyain...

Aik chotti se example deta houn ----- kay main KION Girls per itni concentrate ker raha houn... because is waqt poori world main Muslim women /girls per attack ki plan kia gaya hay... unko Morally degrade aur devastate kerne k liay Jews n Hindu Cultures mil ker kaam ker raha hain...recently aik TV drama main story thi kay 3 guys and one girl are friends n study in a college, they are shown very frank with each other and even they are shown dancing with each other... Well, the Dressing of these ultra stylish rich guys were FULL SLEEVE SHIRTS N PROPER PANTS /SHOES --- Pants were not very tight nor see through but standard type pants.. .same with shirts.. no see through... etc. ---Properly Covered... but... BUT, the Girl always remained in Sleeveless T shirts even her Underarm was clearly shown... her Thights were made prominent by making her wear TIGHT Fitting Jeans...Why THIS DISCRIMINATION....??? Why Chang is coming only for Women /Girls?!

My RESPECTABLE FEMALE FRIEND... Listen... People do not understand that what the hellish Plot and invasion is being organized and in process against Muslim Women... .so that when GOD FORBID All the Muslim Women will be Corrupt or Cheapish mentally, then All the Mothers will be corrupt, so all the daughters will be corrupt and same for boys... n sons... means.. the whole Muslim society will be morally corrupt... like the West... who have become so perverted morally that... now Nudist and Public Nudity - Home sexuality - even Incestous relations like things getting common there... Kia ham ap is aag se bachna nahi chahtay??? Main aapko 1000 exmaples de sakta houn kay thek hay merdoun main bhi negative change aai hay mager.. mager merdoun main 10% main negative change aai hay to females main lerkion main 90% main negative change aa chuki hay... KION? is per ghor karo meri qabil e ehtaram dost.. aur ager meri un batoun se jo main nay shuro main BUHUT BOLDLY Openly likh di thee first time RED Font main -- un k liay I am Sorry - kukay wo mera ASAL Style nahi hay---- Main Sherm o Haya ko merd kay liay bhi buhut zarori samajhta houn.. aur main houn bhi mashaAlalh asa hi.. but tum samajh lena kay jese kabhi kabhi doctor ko patient ki jaan save kerne k liay uska libaas utaar ker opeartion kerna perta hay aur us se BUHUT PERSONAL Questions ki information bhi leni perti hay... ya jesay ager koi lerki Khudanakhasta samander main doob rahi hoti hay to usko Save kernay wala life saving guard ya koi bhi lerka ya merd yeh nahi sochta kay aik lerki ko jo kay dobtay hoay to taqreeban be libas ya us jesi hi ho rahi hoti hay usko dobney se bachatay hoay khud se liptana ya should per daal ker lana... gunah hay ya nahi.. balkay wo zarori hota hay --majbori hoti hay... isee terha main nay jo FEMALE INTIMATE DRESSES ko MAJBORAN first time Red font main discuss kia tha... wo MAJBORI thi... kukay kafi arsay se yeh sab berdasht ker raha houn to dil ne chaha kay Net kay through hi sahi keh daloun aur ho sakta hay kisi ko ehsas hi ho jaaey..kukay is Trendy fashion ka shikaar sirf Buri lerkiyan hi nahi hain balkay buhut se shareef lerkiyan bhi ANJANAY main is ka shikaar ho rahi hain... mazaq ka nishana ban jati hai... I dont know why their mother, elder sisters, father n brothers dont tell them what they are wearing.... and why ! Meri Sister jab bhi koi fabric khareed ker laati hay to colors and quality etc. ham sab ko dekhati hay to jab kabhi bhi koi fabric thin hota hay to main usey poora guide kerta houn kay iski shirt ya shalwar na seena ya ager banani hi hay to thick shameez use kerni hay shalwar main Lining lagani hay... to mujhay apni behan ki fiker is liay hoti hay kay main us se buhut pyar kerta houn-- aur berdasht nahi ker sakta kay wo anjanay main mazaq ban jaaey.. ager usey andaza nahi kay thin fabric sun rays main ya bulb light main cars n biki ki headlight main bilkul see through ho jata hay to mujhay to pata hay na... main usey kion na guide karoun ... aur ager main nahi kerta -- to phir mujhay kia haq pohanchta hay kay phir koi meri behan key jism ko libaas key aar paar /see through dekh raha hay to main usko bura kahoun.... aap ager aik 1000 kay note ko sarrak per daal jayain sabk samnay phir one hour later aap wapis aa ker kahain kay AREY kisi Zaleel chor ney chura lia.. to tum batao... kon QUSOOR Waar hay? who is Responsible...

Change Girls main is terha aai hay kay jo Gentle famalies kay Guys hain wo ab bhi wese hi hain jese 20 ya 10 years pehlay thay... BUT - unhi famalies ki GIRLS main DRASTIC UNBELIEVABLE change aa gaya hay ---- aur to some extent, kafi had tak yeh change deliberately bhi laya gaya hay.. I mean kay khud Parents apni daughters ko aur sisters ko encourage kertay hain kay is terha kay latest fashion wali dressing karo...Jeans pehno, trousers pehno, sleeveless pehno... high shirt pehno, high chalks silwao... tight fitting pehno. etc. aur phir girls aik dosray ko encourage kerti hain ya Decent Dressing ka mazaq urrati hain... Guys main asa kuch abhi tak nahi aaya hay... meray dost meri kisi dressing ka mazaq nahi urratay na hi couzins.. but meri behan /sisters ki akser couzins/friends/neighboring females kehti hain kay wo bhi FUZOOL Sensually provoking latest designing dress pehnay... THATS WHY MY RESPECTABLE FEMALE FRIEND, I HAD TO PAY ALL ATTENTION FIRSTLY - TO FEMALES... GIRLS - WOMEN...

Werna Main to Girls se bhi ziada Girls ki Respect kerne wala lerka houn... Dont YOU BELIEVE my words ? ager nahi to mere articles perh ker apko pata chal jaega... meri shyri perh ker aap jaan jaen gi....

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saray kaam larkian kar len aur mard kuch na karen..

men and women are two "different" genders. they dont think alike, they dont look alike, they dont do alike, and they dont wear alike. men like to follow masses. if one man wears a black suit to office, 90% of men in the whole world will wear a black suit to the office. women like to be different. if one woman wears a black suit to a party, she wants to be the only person in the whole world to wear that suit. that is called pyschology !

why do you want to tell women what to wear and what not to wear. unless you are a tailor and planning to open your own boutique, your thoughts are single-headed and one sided.

jo ap keh rahay hen wo sahi hai ke larkion ke libas mei fahashi aur uryaniyat ka element na ho tou society aur khud larkion ke liay behter hai. no one is arguing to that. but what you are doing is trying to dictate and tell the women what is right to wear and what is not. that my friend is not acceptable in any society. no one will want to listen to you. plus dressing of women if sensual can attract people unnessarily. thats true too. magar if you want to put the whole blame of society on women then your approach is totally wrong.

ap ne dramay ki misal di. us dramay mei larkay larki ke sath frank hone par apko koi aitraz nai. usi dramay mei larkon ko larki ke sath dance karte dikhaya gaya. apko us par bhi koi masla nai. apka problem kahan se shuru hoa ke larki ne sleeveless kyun pehna tha dramay mei. o bhai kis dunya mei rehte ho. pehle dance band karwanay ki fiker karo phir sleeveless par gor karna. jo drama bananay walay thay unki zehniyat ki fiker karo wo apke aur mashray dono ke liay behter hai.

aur this forum is open to the world for every one without caring if they are male, female or from another planet. is liay idher sab equal respected aur treated equally wala hisab hai. apko kisi ki id ya nick pasand nai araha tou apnay khayalat apne pas rakhen aur idher jab dosron se discuss karen tou yeh zehn mei rakhen ke yeh forum sari dunya ke liay hai aur sari dunya parh sakti hai isko aur discussion mei hisa bhi le sakti hai.

generation ko guide kahan se karengay aap. abhi apko khud kafi kuch sekhnay samajhnay aur apne ap mei kafi chezain sudharnay ki zarorat hai. filhal apne oper tawajay den aur apne amal aur soch ko sudharnay ki fiker karen. jab khud sahi hongay tab dosron ko rah dikhanay ki koshish karyay ga tab samaj mei bhi ayay gi apki baat dosron ke. khud ko pata nai sahi kia hai galat kia hai aur generation ko sudharne ki fiker mei lag gayay.

p.s> since the discussion in this topic is mainly in urdu so non.urdu speaking people might find it impossible to understand or participate in this dicussion. thats why its easier to discuss in english so others can also participate and contribute. topic edited and reflected in title about discussion being in urdu.

[sweetlemon]

[trueguy]

I really feel disappointed to see the ATTITUDE of all of you my friends… It seems all of you taking me TOTALLY wrong… maybe you people have developed some animosity feelings for me… or probably your mental caliber is lower than the level of wisdom I am trying to portray. What should I say now, if despite making it clear that I have Deep Sense of Respect, Value, Love n Care for Females… both of you, especially Mr. UglyGuy considering me that I am a FOE or Rival to Women… or I wish to Blame n degrade them… How RIDICULOUS…. How Pathetic to see that my Sincere Intentions are being taken as Hostile towards women/female… Since the beginning I have felt that both of you underestimating the Value of Dress Code and have no Deep and True Understanding of Quranic Injunctions… it feels like you people have never YOURSELF probed into Quran’s true text and may have only listened to Jurisprudence or traditional scholars explanations or read their exegesis. I can understand now that both of you MUST NOT HAVE READ MY DETAILED GREEN FONT ARTICLE, otherwise, you wouldn’t be blaming or behaving like that.. or maybe your mind couldn’t digest it duly…. Mr. UGLY GUY – How did you ASSUME yourself that I have NO Objection on Girl dancing with Guys n frank dating with them etc. etc. IT CONFIMED THAT YOU PEOPLE HAVENT READ MY ARTILE AT ALL OR JUST DIDN’T LET THAT ENTER YOUR MIND N HEART… How Disappointing that my 10 Pages Theory was not paid Due Heed. If Only Mr. UGLYGUY you had read 20% of my article or understood it…YOU WOULD CLEARLY KNOW HOW MUCH IMPORTANCE I GIVE TO MODESTY N SHYNESS OF A GIRL… How could I accept or like such bold dancing or dating etc.?! Well, I just didn’t discuss those acts.. because I was only trying to limit my discussion to DRESS Code here --- But I have felt that probably both of you also or your families etc. enjoy and are accustomed to SUCH kind of Trend in Dress Fashions… that’s why all of you are behaving with me in a HOSTILE way… as if I am your enemy… I wanted to become a Friend – a Brother – but you members are treating me like UNWANTED RIVAL… Thanks for your PREDICTION Mr. Uglyguy that NOBDOY would like to listen to my Theory.. for your kind information… MASHAALLAH I have been Acclaimed n Applauded by several Intellectuals from the field of and Philosophy n Religion – both in Pakistan and especially foreign countries like USA Europe etc. Psychology – Do you need Evidence? I can give you. As for Mr. Ghamidi, I don’t like to discuss him … because for many people he is a Self Proclaimed Fake Scholar… well, I do respect everyone.. but if somebody is simply degrading my ideology despite my Clear Explanation of my Sincerity and Good Intentions towards female gender… if still I am taken WRONG then better to STOP talking… it feels like our Society has reached very near to the point of No Return from the Hellish Customs… So Disappointed to see that despite my examples of my Own born sister, that how I also guide her n wish to do so just because of my love n care for her… SWEETLEMON sahiba is Taking me totally wrong.. my simple expression of feeling her ID ----and guiding her in a very friendly way, has been TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD…. How n Why she felt so SHOCKED?! I wouldn’t have felt so, if she had expressed her view on my Trueguy Id… I just advised her in a friendly way as if I would guide my sis… but how STERNLY she expressed her anger… so Lacerating to me.. Now I cant help saying it that I am finding it VERY AWKWARD to debate here as I am sensing and have analyzed yours DIATRIBE being not only Hostile – but also Depicting the Low Mental Caliber… Listen my Simpleton friends…A Muslim women dress code is not confined to merely Hiding Concealing her Parts which might awaken sensual lust in opposite gender.. but Dress Code is FAR FAR beyond this…. You can simply understand in the way that Hiding/covering those parts is simple first stage ----it maybe acceptable for any decent girl who is Non Muslim…but gentle… but… for a True Muslim girl… she must go far beyond this… Dress Code integrates and must be harmonized with WHOLE PERSONALITY – which includes FACIAL EXPRESSIONS, EYE EXPRESSIONS, MANNER OF WALKING, PACE OF WALKING, POSTURES WHILE SITTING N MOVING, PACE OF MOVEMENT- MANNER OF SPEAKING, VOICE TONE, HER USAGE OF WORDS, HER WAY OF THINKING --- IT ALL CO-HERENTLY IS IMBUED AND MUST BE A SHADOW OF WHAT SHE IS WEARING….That’s why the Fabric Thickness, the colors and all what I have mentioned in my Greefont article… is necessary n an INTEGRAL part of Dress Code…But I know, that it is always USELESS to Teach SOMETHING OF PH-D LEVEL to those who have merely Primary level… but – In last let me say, My Intentions were very SINCERE N FRIENDLY – so I wanted to express n guide in a very very simple words.. at first.. but I was taken as enemy n was degraded n challenged…so I had to show you my Real Debate level.. but, I feel it’s a wrong place for any Sincere Gentle person… it seems to be place where people have FORGOTTEN the True Meaning of Quranic Wisdom.. and merely Wallowing into the Theories of Confined Version of Corrupted Explanations…. OTHERWISE, you people would have said from heart for me what MISS VANESSA BURTON, the Relationship Expert of WWW.ASKMEN.COM, USA said to me: QUOTING AS FOLLOWS:-

MS. VANESSA BURTON OF ASKMEN.COM, USA SAID: Your Ideologies are Logical and full of Understanding.Your Lady Must be Very Lucky to Have Landed Such a SPRITUAL Man Like you.

MR. MARK ANDREW – OCCULT SCIENCE EXPERT OF GUIDINGLIGHT.COM, UNITED KINGDOM SAID: Your Ideologies are Really INSPIRATIONAL

Mr. Petri Liukonnen (Nobel Prize Winners Biographies Author) SAID: I don’t Usually Get ARTICLES which are So Inspiring and Interesting

WWW.SUBMISSION.ORG, USA [GREATEST WEB SOURCE ON ISLAM] said: “Your Article is Very Beautiful Piece of Literature”.

Miss Brionna (Laureate level poetess on www.moontowncafe.com,USA Poetry site, said: Your aspect on this world is great ! a perfect look in your own eyes bringing it to ours.

There are Many more remarks from professionals about my thoughts. Now, I leave it upto all of you… to Decide who is wrong… or at mistake.. either You Wise Guys or These Professional Fools?!

Now, I think useless to write anything else.. only that I express my sincere apology to Sweetlemon, if she has really hurt by my FRIENDLY OPINION on her ID on this forum, not on her Character…

KHUDA HAFIZ

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[johnnyyyyyyy]

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